This is the way it is going to turn out anyhow, not necessarily in Sharia states everywhere but in any case Islam-inspired and not the way ‘the West’ wants it either. The ‘import democracy exercise’ in Iraq is what it is, and regimes like that of Karimov have no future. Besides, most ‘import systems’ (secular nationalism, Communism, liberal democracy) have failed in the Muslim world.

See, people in the west should not trust people who say this, why? because any one can see that Muslim people are different, they have their own edias and values, for us to say that we want a thief to go to Prison for two years, muslims beleive that a thief if some conditions are met, his hand should be cut off, and we should not judge them and their beleive according to our way of life.

And we should know that muslims are not willing to drop off this belief, and its not only about one law, its a set of laws and values based on their belief that man cant decide what is bad and what is good, ( its a very long discussing), and their belief say: that God should decide, and all their laws and values are based on this belief.

We are not here to try to convince them, to leave their belief as all attepts to do so faild, even our people are convinced by them, so we have to accept it, they are going to rule themselves, so leave them to do what ever they want.

This means we have to stop imposing Democrasy on them, they have their own system, let them rule themselves the way they want, they want an elected and accounted leader, to rule them by Islam (call it Sharia state). so let them do that.

The problem and the people in Russia and in the west should realise it, that we hear people like yourself talking about values, laws and system of goverment, and you sound no differnt from us, you want the same thing we want, but in the reality you are differnt, your belief is defferent, Muslims dont accept man made rules, and till we realise that, and leave them to set up a system which compatible with their belief and values which based on this belief.

We cant compare Islam with christianity, Islam is not only a religion, its a way of life, it tells you how to speak to God, and how to buy a house.

For this reason I find hizb ut tahrir is very series. others are The echo of our voices.

Where was that? Uzb, UK, Rus?

“But in one side you say they are nothing, they have no infulance and in other you warn us from their underground cells.”

I don’t say they are nothing. I say that their influence in CA is more a matter of the whole fuss made around them by those who have advantage to do so (the regimes, KGB etc.—so that they can promote themselves towards the West, “yes it’s us or terrorist takeover”) more than of actual numbers of followers, political and miltary power etc.

“I beleive, if the people of C A decide that they want Islam, its their own choise and we have to feel happy for them, and we have to prepare ourselves for political and economical relationships with them.”

I like that point and I agree with you. Depending on where you are, a substantial part of CA’s people (maybe not 80-90% but not a few either, even in Kyr) look to Islam as an alternative. People need direction in life. Soviet Communism, despite some positive achievements, is dead. What represents ‘Western liberalism’ in CA is a flop and deeply distrusted, even hated, by many people. If ‘more Islam’ means that people find an identity, dignity and social responsibility in Islam, then that is not a threat but a good thing.

Again, the fact that a person wants to live ‘more the Muslim way’ does not mean that he or she wants a Sharia state. BTW, if you are interested: the PEW Research Centre and the sociologist Tair Faradov carried out empirical studies (for the Uzbekistan and Azerbaijan case, but relevant for other stans tool) that clearly show/suggest that. I don’t see why religious knowledge and consciouness by definition ‘degrades’ people.

“The real gruop which we should be aware and afraid from it, and their work is realy worse and more eveil, who gets their Orders from the westren embassies”

Tochna.

Out side my department i saw a man puting a poster for the islamic society, i told him I want to know more about Hizb ut tahrir, he linked me with the women side of the islamic society, I spoke to them, They invited me to their talks, I visted their website, and there was no differnce between what they say, what they call for, and what is in their websites, they are open, and I almost met evry body.

The funny thing they asked Mr David Cameron for an open debate for what he is accusing them in the parliament, I am certain politicians are not brave enough, but this reminded me of something the same one of hizb ut tahrir’s women told me about, that they asked Mr Karimov for the same thing, when he accused them of something, and the women was trying to till me that they have nothing to hide.

But in one side you say they are nothing, they have no infulance and in other you warn us from their underground cells.

After I heard it from them, I beleive, if the people of C A decide that they want Islam, its their own choise and we have to feel happy for them, and we have to prepare ourselves for political and economical relationships with them.

The real gruop which we should be aware and afraid from it, and their work is realy worse and more eveil, who gets their Orders from the westren embassies, and this would make some afraid (allow me to use this part from you) Both parts of its revolutionary discourse and its organisation structure (underground cells) remind the Russian Bolshevik movement in its early days. The Soviet apparachiks who are still in power in most Stans know well how that ended.